Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 6/1/19 | MSNBC News Today Jun 01, 2019



521 days until the 2020 presidential election and tonight we break down the week's top stories and how they are strategically shaping the battle for the White House in 2020 tonight the Democrats have a case of post mullah depression after Muller's non conclusive statement locked up at fewer plus the untouchable president lower did not indict truck on obstruction sight a DOJ guidelines does that mean a sitting president can never be indicted in one horse race Joe Biden's huge early in the polls blows well for the former vice president or does it historic polls say not so much lots to cover this is syenite politics I have a fantastic group of brilliant minds here tonight but before I introduce them as a tip of the hat to my former buddy Donald Trump keyword his former there we have built a wall yes a wall it's a Saturday night politics wall we're gonna go through the building blocks of that wall throughout the show it is our roadmap to wrap up and strategically lens the week's top stories think of it as our fourth guest amazing good I love this threesome tonight and as we get into our first time people see why first the great Barney Frank 32 years in Congress ahead of the houses of Financial Services Committee we need your plain talk now more than ever and we're gonna get it tonight and thank you for being it's really privileged to have you here thank you Jen Palmieri one of the great communication mines ran Hillary's 2060 community education campaign it was not your fault it was commis fault the numbers were going through the roof up until that ten days before and then they fell off your best-selling author thrilled to have you here and made good friend at the great the one and only re Melba re this was a this is a week where you really shine just with all that's going on they legal stuff obviously host of the beat NBC legal analyst chief Lee or analyst MSNBC and I want to start with a Tupac quote for you because in honor of you of those of you who don't follow ollie re most you do it is the the six o'clock show of record and Tupac said do everything you can to make it around the system over the system or out of the system we're going to come back to that in a minute there's a reason i teed that up but let's get to the wall first up post mullah depression mullah has finally spoken but has it changed anything strategically the democrats i think not if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so we did not however make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime there's no obstruction you see what we're saying there's no obstruction there's no collusion there's no nothing under long-standing department policy a president president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office that is unconstitutional he's filled bank robber lower behaved honorably I think he's totally conflicted charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider okay they still face the impeach or not to impeach quandary either recommend they cure for what could be a democratic mall or hangover I love that we have brilliant legal mind bringing communications mind a brilliant lawmaker mind I want to start with a theory re and that the Democrats are playing the long game the impeach are not to impeach if they impeach it's the wrong move they play into his hands it's a loser in public opinion and he ends up with a double you if you don't impeach will look this guy broke the law the Democrats look like wimps changed the game it's this is a branding solution change it to what I call the trim the Trump criminal investigations it's not about impeachment we might get to that but he's already according to Mahler you convict him according to Mahler he's already there's obstruction of justice he just couldn't indict him because of DOJ guidelines he's an unindicted co-conspirator in New York we're looking his taxes we're looking at philanthropy we're looking at campaign finance we are initiating the Trump criminal investigations bar marketed Muller I say market walk away from impeachment rebranded I would love to hear from any legal mine a communications line lawmaker line is that an interesting strategy if so let's put it together it's an interesting strategy and obviously Congress has an important role in its investigative and oversight functions as I'm sure the congressman can tell us from experience I don't think it's an either lord I think the Democrats do have a problem here because there was a lot of talk about what Bob Muller was gonna find and what they were gonna do when he found it and then there has been in the sixty eight days from when he turned in his report and and bar a spun and I think at times lied about it and then finally broke his silence and resigned in the 68 days I don't think the Democrats have landed on exactly what they want to do and if what they want to do is say it's not time to impeach it may never be I think they need to probably say that with one voice and show the country where they're moving on which goes to your point lately it felt like just a very long kind of rumination I guess that's where I'm trying and I want to hold up the words because I'm a marketing guy once you see what that feels like okay just let that sit in Trump criminal Trump criminal gen communications export all I'm doing is branding and putting out a different fight let him say like Richard Nixon I'm not a crook let him say why are they holding criminal to put those two words together put impeachment away that's where he wins rebrand sometimes you have branding advice that I think is not easy easily applicable to politics but this is Tim where I think you have fit upon branding advice that is easily applicable to politics I saw you talk about some wearing Joe yesterday and I thought it was really smart because this I think people when people hear impeachment they think that you're trying to use extraordinary means to remove the president from office because you don't like him I think that's probably what people hear not because he committed crimes they think crimes were solved in courts they don't understand that what Muller was telepathy to us all is that this that these criminals crimes are are adjudicated by the Congress and that's where it should happen but Ari said something about that won't that chairman Frank will back me up on is never going to happen which is the Democrats need to speak with one voice on this like a scary jump I know but that's what but but you can but I think that there's no reason why you can't say for this for the time being until you until you determine and I don't think that Pelosi you know I people seem to think that she that this is an either or either Nancy Pelosi at this moment is for starting impeachment proceedings or she's never going to be okay with it and I think that there's a lot of string to play out here and I think she's smart to do that I think they should say they're continuing to look into see what if what kind of criminal activity the president may have done Barney you you were such a street fighter for over three decades I know you love we're Pelosi's at talk to me right now if you were her business partner in this and you have this quadri and peach not a peach I'm suggesting a third lane what do we know I agree with that and I would start we let him get away with naming people I think it's time to start calling him unindicted Donald I like the sound of it and it reminds people that he's unindicted that's your status implicitly in criminal a couple of earlier points one either I read the Constitution a lot I don't see anywhere that it says the president can't be prosecuted criminally I agree we and in fact one of the things I would recommend now is that every Democratic candidate for president of which we have way too many and I wish some of the Regals would get us to a better State should announce that if he or she is elected president they will revert that person will reverse the policy and say no there's nothing that says the president can't be indicted and I won structs my Attorney General to be prepared to indict me or anybody else that's that's a course about of the dilemma second and I think this is why we need a new strategy I'm disappointed about yeah but I'm also I've been saying for some time no we say oh don't be one of the great nice people say is I don't like to say I told you so I love to say one of the few pleasures that improves with age everything else gets tougher yeah but we put too much effort side him and the collected policy neglected no infrastructure no continent unfair tax bill but I do think and the final thing is you're right it's a two-fold strategy I remember when Tip O'Neill in the 70s white guys who caught up on the Auto Show he Quach Robert Ryan in my predecessors effort to impeach Nixon and said no not yet we don't have it obviously later he orchestrated it so saying we're not ready yet doesn't mean ever but I think at this point the best strategy is talk wise you did about the criminal investigation call them unindicted Donald that's what he is and emphasize the substantive issues all right I want to go back to you and I want you to talk cause I actually agree with the congressman that we lionize Bob Muller I think in this world he could have gone further I want to show a clip from you in each of the other night on your show because to me this really frames the world that Bob Muller is playing and let's slow that it's almost as though the lawyers Muller and his team are in a knife fight and bar and Trump brought a gun to that knife fight and then are you came back and said that you're actually any brought tweets and not understanding the communicator brought him in the book to a Twitter fight yeah and and this is the story that I think we'll understand on the people people matter in these things it was incredible that rod Rosenstein tried to salvage his reputation by appointing Bob Muller it had an incredible impact people are in jail probably because of that decision alone it is incredible that Bob Miller chose to do the job the way he did and he did many things very well although his congressman frank mentions there's some things at the end where he got out maneuvered in the public debate by mr. Barr and lawyers understand if you let a mischaracterization sit if you let al ice it is very hard to undo that in the minds of whatever the the governing body is the minds of the jury the minds of the Congress the minds of the entire American public yeah and so as I said bringing the book to the Twitter fight meant that Barr didn't just debate or disagree with the Mulla report I mean he's the boss of the just Department he could do all sort of things no he put in place a view of the model report that was fundamentally wrong before anyone got to read it and so I thought it was almost plaintive as we're here on a Saturday night thinking about the week that was it was a plaintive cry from Bob Muller from another era a g-man another era a military guy a prosecutors prosecutor to implore everyone read the report while mr. Barr had a summary letters that were misleading that were built for a Twitter economy and tweet storms and the president has his memes and we were seeing two different ways of communicating about these issues someone taking one step further you have Barr the head of judiciary acting as a marketer of the model report so I'm saying Congress should act as a marketer with the Trump crime investigation let's get back to the wall impotent I love saying that world with Trump impotent tweets research is proving Trump's increasing treatment increasing tweet rages are having a decreasing effect is this one more sign that trumps 2016 bag of tricks will go limp in 2020 this is as much about a tweety is I did a certain a couple weeks ago with his new nicknames which we you know sleepy Joe and his tweet when we say his interactions are down the percentage of people that are liking them and retweeting a drop in traumatically I have a theory Jen that what made him such a shiny toy 3 years ago was oh my god he invented a new communication you open up his own publication Twitter my guy he's calling other candidates nasty names that this takes us now to season six of these Celebrity Apprentice and I think there's a we're of factor I think these are early tells that there may not be Trump 2.0 and original Trump is gonna get old still yeah and they don't I mean I don't I think that it's important that where we we still don't normalize what he tweets I mean we pay attention to it and I think we call it out and say well that's outrageous and that's not and that's not normal and I think sometimes you find that frustrating because it seems that that's an impotent response on our part right that shouldn't we be able to say something more than this is crazy or dumb or not normal but the the alternative would be we were scared by what by his tweets right the alternative an alternative universe we can look at in America where we took his tweets seriously and that you know that would have been that would make for a much worse outcome I do think that I actually talk to a lot of trumpeters I have them in my family I make a point to go to places where Democrats aren't and talk to more of them and you know they're wearing the tweets we're on them too I mean the hardcore Trump supporters will stay all right he tweeted something that's what I'm supposed to believe and this I think there's 10% there they see it and they're like I guess that's something I have to tolerate but well I wish there were another one you seen anything historically that obviously there's been nothing like Trump with somebody who was so out of the box and it caught the imagination and then the where–how factor kicked in the very thing that got them there starts to hurt them I haven't seen that exactly man I guess analogy of a president who gets lost it was Andrew Johnson who got and without them you know and and man up getting a peaches are not convicted no I part of it is I think there is a there's a real element that help Trump and that's the economy the fact that there was a refusal on the part of a lot of people including some liberal Democrats to recognize that economic growth had stopped helping a lot of people and was becoming a source of anger and so much of Trump support was in fact real I think the thing about the tweets is it for a lot of the people they were Church development they that wasn't why they were for him and I do think now he was just a fresh born yeah and we put the allottee is what's solving the case the tweets become more and more relevant to the economic reality which is the the biggest issue I just think what it shows re we're real fast before you get the next topic is that there was a lot of sizzle and the more sizzle keeps coming forward the less steak there isn't even a steak you look he's kind of nasty meat you can promise you're gonna make things better but if they don't get any better you lose that yeah I mean the data is showing the people are responding less to the tweets so that itself tells you something's going on because people respond both ways I mean he is a classic troll which means that the people who hate the tweets often respond even more than the people who love them we should also be careful in over learning the public opinion lessons we live with the electoral college right point it's a fait it's a part of reality but when Congress doesn't pass a gun control legislation in the Senate while the majority of the country is for it we don't say oh I guess people don't want gun control we say the actual system is out of line with the public and so we have someone at the table who happened to work for the candidate got more votes right so even when the tweets were on fire more Americans did want something else and so I think the Democrats have to also be careful to learn the lesson but understand that it's not as if the the tweet strategy had a 51% to beginner can I take one other important point on this the tweets meant a lot when that's all you knew about Trump he had these clever tweets and they were exciting as he's been presidential well over half he's turned that and very little happened people judge him less on the tweets and more on the reality the tweets held up as promised I'm a tough guy I'm gonna break things apart as things haven't changed then they've got more than the tweets to judge him on and and it goes to to your point the way that a lot of it was bravado without delivery as Drake famously said there you go I've been waiting buddy here we go I had to do the Tupac I was waiting it took 14 minutes for you to get to a quote but you go there buddy trigger fingers turn to Twitter finger let's go back to the wall Burnie blues Bernie Sanders was the anti Hillary in 2016 to great effect his slippin poll numbers suggest he's not the next auntie Trump is there any move to re-energize his campaign real fast around the table Gen to me he's caught in between Elizabeth Warren yeah liberal to him she's come with real meat on the bone buying has come as the moderate guy he's not just the anthe Hillary I I don't know where he goes I was I thought that this I thought when he came in at like 22% that might be his floor right because he lost a lot of support wouldn't work when there were more candidates in but were ceilinged seen that's on the floor and he is falling behind and I think he falling below that number and I think he is losing people to Elizabeth Warren and I saw somebody on Twitter say you know I'm a Bernie guy and I like him doing the focus to town halls but after I heard Elizabeth Warren say why it was a bad idea I'm for her and I you know it's it's interesting I mean I think we all kind of thought the Democrats are gonna elect their trump right that's that the debt somehow the Democrats were going to repeat the sort of behavior the dynamic that the Republicans had on the on their side four years ago that's never what happens we saw Bernie as you know fairly or not as that person but he seems to be slipping Barney are you Bob viously work with burning over the years I think he's gonna slip dramatically is he gonna stick around though I think he will he's a very stubborn guy I I was very critical of the last time look he was not an effective senator I mean part of his problem Frank is that Elizabeth Warren got more done in public policy for the left as a citizen than Bernie son as a senator he's an advocate out there by himself and in 2016 the anger that produced Trump but the unfair that gave him a base but I think he was punching above his weight it's something I think you underestimate Bernie Sanders appeal at your own peril he's the guy who recently won States he did very well against your campaign he's gonna get very strong in New Hampshire he's got a lot of money he's not going anywhere it's not going if there are certainly there are certainly important policy debates to be had but I would not underestimate his state is a party he's got a lot of gifts that when you're back on Saturday politics is September straight ahead be untouchable president I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters okay okay I didn't shoot anybody but the sentiment stands did moulds appearance adherence to DOJ guidelines lead Trump and all future presidents above the law what would it actually take to indict a sitting president plus the Trump 2020 pivot I think Trump the ultimate transactional president through pull surprise and move to the middle on some key issues for the upcoming race and the Democrats better be prepared and Joe Biden got a big it's got a big lead in the polls we've got two of the world's top pollsters to look at 40 years of presidential polls at this moment in a race and guess what Joe might get a bit nervous after the stroll down presidential memory lane welcome back to Sunday night politics I'm Donny Deutsch we're back with Barney Frank Jen Palmieri and Ari Melbourne let's get right back to the wall the untouchable President does Mullens real-life activation of the DOJ guideline of not indicted citizen President President begged the question what is the criminal tipping point for this in future president sorry we this is a memo this was an obscure 1973 memo and then in 2000 it was upheld what has to happen for you to be able to indict a sitting president this was a process crime we all know if he shot somebody so just handicap this for me it's an open debate because the Constitution doesn't give you a firm textual answer but look for a long time the view has been you don't indict the sitting president and you can ask presidents Johnson Nixon and Clinton what happens when there is a view correct or not that you did something really bad in office and everybody knows it goes over to Congress so I think this cuts both ways it cuts against mr. Barr because he is playing dumb aka misleading people about the issue but it also cuts in some degree for for the president because if Muller wasn't going to do more of an impeachable and people debating whether that was inferred and implied or not I think it is at least the body of precedent the larger support for the view among legal experts is when there's an issue with the president who's the guy or gal who enforces the law it is the Congress that indict sand the Congress that Judy Cates but then congressman then that's the case if you have a same Party Congress you will never have sections I want to reiterate it's not to the Constitution I don't think it's ambiguous hurry if it doesn't say that doesn't happen there's no implicit assumption there there's nothing in the Constitution that says you can indict a sitting president agreed you to the absurd result that he can commit a physical crime and not be indicted and the impeachment is not a suitable alternative because we have this rule when there's a jury trial in a criminal case that's to be in 40 there's not a single member of Congress who could become a juror in a criminal case against the president because of the part right so but I'm the one thing but you can't compel the judgment so I'm gonna do it Jed I'm gonna get you know the next time when I gotta go back to the wall Trump 2027 warning to Democrats beware of the Trump pivot in 2020 Trump has always doubled down on his base including a losing 2018 midterm but his job was out of line then I believe as the ultimate transaction list he will pivot towards the middle on some key issues and the Dems better be prepared Jen I know this guy yeah I see it coming he is the ultimate transactional guy he's gonna look at the numbers and say where he stands with his base which was a losing proposition last time and where he is with suburban people where is with women where his independence he's gonna make some moves when it comes to women's rights I think even possibly guns I know this guy like the back man and the Democrats are gonna be like huh what yeah yeah I mean I think it's like wise to take your warnings because they've usually turned out to be pretty prescient and I think that that's why you have to have a democratic man he was behind the new code yes come back new coke and the Pinto the Ford Pinto was an ROI first of all I think that underestimates overestimates its flexibility his personality is so engaged he's been doing things that make no sense except for his ego the other thing is you know maybe and cultural Yanam again I mean the one case we have is when he talks about moving away from his base he got somehow intimidated out of it but the last point the one that makes me feel secure in this politically is its to wait I can't think of any group that anything dramatic enough for him to do is he gonna come out for Roe vs. Wade is he come out a lot that people unfortunately unfortunately like about him and what has to be shifted is that other social stuff the other the racist stuff and I think he can't change it – may I go back on race you think that he would soften that I think he might come up with some type of immigration solution I think he might put on some form he I know he's put healthcare on the back burner I just believe he's gonna look at it and see he's a loser not the Congress and he will do it real quick on that one how many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb none one yeah but the lightbulb has to want to change he wants to win he's the ultimate survivor that's all he cares about he does not see I got mirrors because it's what I decide how to and I think you watch guys that's a warning okay we're one minute on this one economy go himself the bond markets this weekend is the irrefutable sign that has preceded every recession in the last 60 years a roaring economy didn't help Trump in the midterms but turn south will it still be the economy stupid we're gonna go to this song until Barney the combination of an inverted body I'll mark which basically tells you that pundits think the world is going really south economically not just the pundit plus financial the financial markets that's what I mean people and now this Mexico that's self-fulfilling to some extent but there's no the cases has always been the case but remember Trump is the super Keynesian of all time the budget deficit and tax cuts and spending that he put through supercharged the economy that is winding down so there was always gonna be that downside now he or this downtrend he's now exacerbated that with trade he continues to want to do that and yeah I think he's gonna have a much less good economy it was coming out that even Steve minuchin was not had anything to do with this new absurd Mexican tariff I guess Jenny my question if somebody came from the Clinton world that's the economy stupid yeah I actually think the course this is such a polarizing human that good or bad the economy does not play as much as a totally a hundred percent agree with you and I think that has been true for thirty years I think for 30 years since Reagan was elected the economy has mattered less but what does matter me I have heard Trump supporters who are hurt by tariffs say you know what I'm willing to hang in there with them social because because he's trying to turn the ship around we didn't get here overnight and we're not gonna get out of it alright still but II do not believe the polls please clap please clap what history tells us about Joe Biden's big lead in the polls Rudy Giuliani Jeb Bush with clear frontrunners at this point be careful jo+ get to the other side I'll share my personal Instagram story of a breakthrough moment with a trump supporter and talk about how informs a winning strategy for Democrats in 2020 there are more than 20 candidates fighting for the Democratic nomination but only one clear front-runner Joe Biden is polling 38% of registered Democrats in a morning consult pull out the sweet nearly double the support of his closest rival Bernie Sanders 70% of Democrats in the latest NBC Wall Street Journal's Paul say they are enthusiastic or comforted with Biden but these numbers matter eight months before the first votes are cast at this point four years ago Jeb Bush was the Republican heir apparent and we know how that ended eight years ago Hillary Clinton held a similarly commanding lead over a freshman senator from Illinois named Barack Obama in fact we look through twenty years worth of polling data to see who was leading in June the year before the election in contested primaries only for them became the nominee and just one became president george w bush so what do we make of Biden's early lead let's ask to experts drove Edison a pollster for Obama and Clinton campaigns now an advisor to the people to judge campaign and John de la Volpe director of polling at Harvard Kennedy School just a few of the greatest hits guys ed muskie 32% to George McGovern 4% in 72 Jimmy Carter was at 0.8% to George Wallace's 19% Mario Cuomo 20% to Bill Clinton at one point three percent and it's just interesting and interesting enough Scott Walker was at sixteen point five percent a guy named Donald Trump was three percent and she left out Rudy Giuliani who was so John is this is there anything in this history or is it in such a different world now because the amount of both exposure and candidates I think a couple things first of which we look at movements right and when you look at the morning console poll as an example only two of the candidates have actually improved their lead and improved their numbers since January so that's important one of which is Biden and the other watches is your client Pete Buddha judge those two so that's one thing that we look at the other thing we look at is I look at the last cycle and I think Trump led and 77% of the polls and about 99 percent of them once he got in you know by that by early to mid July and obviously Hillary was leading in 99 percent of them so there is significant I think an insight from having this lead if you were able to expand it but it's still a long way away it's biden's to lose and we could well loser Joe yeah I mean to build off that point something we have to think about here is these campaigns have gotten significantly longer over time when we started in 2007 in January of 2007 that was incredibly earlier you mentioned Mario Cuomo he announced on December 16th 1991 that he wasn't going to file papers in New Hampshire the primaries were starting in March it was a much shorter campaign so the longer out from the actual voters being heard at the polls the more erratic and the polls can be so you're just starting toward the Booty judge are you seeing any numbers in the crosstabs that show a Biden vulnerability in terms of trending or certain characteristics that make him very vulnerable well if I was seeing anything I wouldn't talk about no look we we just come on board there pretty recently I think the thing for Joe Biden right now is he's got to know that he's got a name ID advantage that is working to his favor he was vice president for eight years he knows that's the case and I think they're running a campaign accordingly the question is for any candidate how long does that name ID sustain you when others become as known as you are John the one thing he's got big in his favor as he can be Trump that's the perception and to me that is the driver beyond anything and right now there's an idealized version of bite that kept him very kind of back which is smart what would you see right now if what would you be looking for in Biden if you're looking at the numbers to see the chinks in the armor well I think a couple of things first of all let's understand why he's leading where why he's in position he's in because I think it's more than just name ID he's leading I think because the Democratic electorate may not be as progressive as we think it is right it may not be as far left as we think it is we did a poll recently we found that odd self-identified Democrats more likely to vote in the primary are more center-left than far left and and certainly more center-left than Republicans are forever so that is very kind of comfortable terrain for him you know using branding he's a Ford 150 right you know who he is and he's modernized a little bit right and we'll see the extent to which he can peel appeal to a cross-section of voters he's very strong among folks in their 50s and 60s is up by 30 or so what I think is going to be important is he's currently second among younger voters but as a lot of people indicate there could be as many people who are part of the gens II and millennial generation participate in this primary as older people so that would be something that we really need to take a close look at to see if that could be some vulnerability currently he's in a solid second place there again I think a lot of that is with name ID and in the halo effect from eight years in the White House I think there's another thing at stake here Joel I don't know if the polls show this is you know when I used to do advertising we do but a very racy campaign for a car company it was outrageous or not afterwards the client want to go back to something let's go running Carrefour that's really safe and I think that would have traditionally worked against Biden he's been there he's not sexy the comfort food the kind of safety of Biden works against the current incumbent well I think there was an element to that that's true but the other thing that's true in my experience in presidential campaigns is people want to fall in love yeah they really want to get excited about the candidate they're with and I'm not saying that that's not true Joe Biden for his supporters but if you look at some of the polls you cited they changed in 2008 when Barack Obama won in Iowa won in South Carolina that's the first time in February of 2008 when he took a lead in the national polls so I think the voters are going to be excited about a lot of these people they like a lot of these people we don't have a lot of controversy on our side so I think you're gonna be Road tested over time here and this thing is gonna change well certainly change in three weeks going to work with the debates I'm curious as pollsters if you were both either talking a Biden or if you were talking to one of the underdogs what would be the key thing both on the research that's based on the research you've seen you'd be saying to each one of them to accomplish in the debate John started I would I would be not to think too much I think too many elect officials too many candidates to make assaultive try to put too many thoughts in people said and what works for I think people judge what's working for buying as they're being true to themselves they're speaking from kind of their their background and their authenticity is just to me very very obvious in particular what Biden needs to do is he needs to talk more about the future right he's gonna clear in terms of he can kind of restore in his in his view kind of restore America domestically as well as internationally can you talk about the future he started that perhaps with his education policy being obligate first Joe I think your boy the fact that he's a vet is huge would you be pushing for him to talk about down on stage look I I think it's important I think it's a it's a credential that people will value my mantra about presidential campaigns and debates in particular is you got to talk about their lives not your life you know your background matters here but ultimately you've got to make that connection with voters no matter who you are it's got to be about the things that are their most pressing concerns and you've got to demonstrate that you've got the remedy for that and I think you know that's where you've seen many candidates through pretty well right now you've got about five who is sucking up about 80% of the totals in the polls well guys this great segment I want you guys back all right thanks for coming here happy to do it John John Breaux we've got you scroll the way I'm saying goodbye to these guys right Joe venison in John Della Valle pay thank you so much for joining us up the exes on your politics my hero and zeros of the week plus we all know them maybe it's a family member a co-worker I'm talking about Trump supporters up next I'll share some advice on how to have a constructive conversation with them and why you need to do it before the 2020 election [Applause] heroes and zeros I guess away in on the highs and lows in the headline Congressman Frank hero zero hero Justin Amash the Republican who stood up and came out from Pietschmann and I think he he's a he's a model of courage the zero Mitch McConnell the sleaziness the cynicism of announcing that this rule that you can't confirm a nominee in a presidential year and his slide win when he did it it is the most despicable thing I've seen anybody do that didn't involve taking human life and I have to say it is so vicious and so anti-democratic and constitutional but I think any Republican senator up for reelection next year or to be hammering on that and are you gonna continue the rule of this guy you know people talked about Nancy Pelosi McConnell is the worst example of an abusive leader we've ever seen I hear ya Jen permanent zero my hero is Bob Muller because despite Lee he's been maligned by all the folks at the table I think that he stepped out this week to be more row zero my hero is snuffleupagus who see the anniversary of Sesame Street he was actually my favorite character and the run-ins in the Majan ere friend with Big Bird I grew up on that and they marked their 50 anniversary this week it is a show that conquered all sorts of challenges poverty kids talking about emotional issues mental instability that that show is incredible zero happy 50th my zero John Oliver has come after me I have to put him on the zero he came after my mother report coverage let's take a look on Thursday the Miller report was finally released it was over 400 pages long and many in the media chose to make a feature of processing it in plain sight Atmos NBC had re melba reading it in the corner of the studio we have beef now we're gonna start a big be honest I just think I'm gonna lose if I got by the way tomorrow night 9 o'clock I remember special Muller speaks Jen Palmieri Congressman Frank thank you guys so much banquet panel up next I'm gonna get a little lesson in how to talk to the other side I went from being called a very nasty name really nasty to being buddies with a trump supporter just a few messages I'll show you that conversation tell you how it could bring the country together and actually win the White House in 2020 thing is gonna change well certainly the change in fifty weeks going with the debase I'm curious as pollsters if you were both either talking a Biden or if you were talking to one of the underdogs what would be the key thing both on the research that's based on the research you've seen you'd be saying to each one of them to accomplish in the debate John started I would I would be not to think too much I think too many elect officials too many candidates to make consultants try to put too many thoughts in people said and what works for I think people who judge what's working for buying as they're being true to themselves they're speaking from kind of their their background and their authenticity is just to me very very obvious in particular what Biden needs to do is he needs to talk more about the future right he's kind of clear in terms of he can kind of restore in his in his view kind of restore America domestically as well as internationally can you talk about the future he started that perhaps with his education policy being obligate first Joe I think your boy the fact that he's a vet is huge would you be pushing for him to talk about down on stage look I I think it's important I think it's a it's a credential that people will value my mantra about presidential campaigns and debates in particular is you got to talk about their lives not your life you know your background matters here but ultimately you've got to make that connection with voters no matter who you are it's got to be about the things that are their most pressing concerns and you've got to demonstrate that you've got the remedy for that and I think you know that's where you've seen many candidates through pretty well right now you've got about five who is sucking up about 80% of the totals in the polls well guys this great segment I want you guys back all right thanks for coming here happy to do it John John where'd you go you scroll the way I'm saying goodbye to these guys right Joe venison in John Della Valle pay thank you so much for joining us up next aside politics my hero and zeros of the week plus we all know them maybe it's a family member or a co-worker I'm talking about Trump supporters up next I'll share some advice on how to octave conversation with them and why you need to do it before the 2020 lecture [Applause] [Applause] heroes and zeroes I guess away in on the highs and lows in the headline Congressman Frank hero zero hero Justin Amash the Republican who stood up and came out from Pietschmann and I think he he's an either model of courage the zero Mitch McConnell the sleaziness the cynicism of announcing that this rule that you can't confirm a nominee in a presidential assed year and it's like when when he did it it is the most despicable thing I've seen anybody do that didn't involve taking human life and I have to say it is so vicious and so anti-democratic and constitutional but I think any Republican senator up for reelection next year or to be hammering on that and are you gonna continue the rule of this guy you know people talked about Nancy Pelosi McConnell is the worst example of an abusive form either we've ever seen I hear ya Jen permanent zero my hero is Bob Muller cuz despitefully he's been maligned by all the folks at the table I think that he stepped out this week to be more Rozier oh yeah my hero is snuffleupagus who see the anniversary of Sesame Street he was actually my favorite character and the run-ins in the naree friend with Big Bird I grew up on that and they marked their 50 anniversary this week it is a show that conquered all sorts of challenges poverty kids talking about emotional issues mental instability that that show is incredible here happy 50th my 0 John Oliver has come after me I have to put him on the 0 he came after my mother report coverage let's take a look on Thursday the Miller report was finally released it was over 400 pages long and many in the media chose to make a feature of processing it in plain sight Atmos NBC had re melba reading it in the corner of the studio we have beef now we're gonna start a big be honest I just think I'm gonna lose if I got by the way tomorrow night 9 o'clock I remembered special Muller speaks Jen Palmieri Congressman Frank thank you guys so much banquet panel up next I'm gonna get a little lesson in how to talk to the other side I went from being called a very nasty name really nasty to being buddies with a trump supporter and just a few messages I'll show you that conversation tell you how it could bring the country together and actually win the White House in 2020 you

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